No this is not a topic about vaccines for cancer. This is about vaccines that may actually contain cancer itself.

I was surfing the net on the usual politics crap and came upon this. For awhile, I already knew that the vaccines were to never be trusted. I never take them, and thank God, I never will(although you are forced to when going to some schools). I came across this video where a Merck Scientist(my Mom works at a Merck place)ADMITTED that there has been cancer virus', SV40, AIDS and other things in vaccines before like the Polio vaccine. Doesn't surprise me at all though, Government has been known to do horrible things.

I know people don't take Alex Jones seriously, but he has nothing to do with the interview that never aired on the PBS news. Hell, I'm not even surprised. But don't take his word for it, there is plenty of articles and evidence out there that supports this claim.

Stop taking vaccines people, for the love of God.

Vaccines, are the worst, inb resident evil references.

Please read the following chapter.

It is vitally important so that shit like this isn't spread more.

It is disgusting and it kills people.

Honestly if you only read one chapter of one book ever, read this one.

http://www.badscience.net/2009/04/matth ... s-chapter/

It is not even funny how many people are damaged by the claims about HIV vaccines that these pseudoscience nutjobs make up. People die.

Im with amy. i mean you are welcome to not get shots in my book free will and all. but im going to get them, they work. i believe in science not conspiracy theory's. im sure the drug companys do some bad things, but shots its not one of them in my opinion.

Hold on a sec,

"I came across this video where a Merck Scientist(my Mom works at a Merck place)ADMITTED that there has been cancer virus', SV40, AIDS and other things in vaccines before like the Polio vaccine."

This is how vaccines work.

:x

Further more cancer is not caused by, nor is it, a virus. Seriously what is this shit? I hope it's a parody.

This cannot be serious


If it is a joke,
then you did a p good job

If you are serious,
please ask a doctor why your opinions are retarded



Actually, some forms of cancers crop up when certain types of viruses "snip"/modify the sections of DNA in a cell or cell(s) which control replication rates

See: HPV, Hepatitis B

Also there may be unknown pathogens which may cause (or severely increase the chances for getting) renal, colon, & other types of cancers, b/c of WBC spikes that occur in response

but anyway yes they are not CANCER VIRUSES they are just viruses that can ALSO cause cancer

I really cannot stress the importance of the book Bad Science.

Hell my mom was really into homeopathy before she read it.

No. No no no no no no.

This is such an incredibly dangerous rumour to spread. The idea that "taking vaccines will give you autism or cancer or AIDS or whatever" is just as flawed as saying that "it snowed in Florida today thus global warming must not be true".

THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE DIE EVERY YEAR because of myths associated with vaccines. The vaccine is one of the greatest medical achievements in history and the fact that there is so much bullshit people believe about them is mind-boggling.



Nobody is saying that vaccines are 100% fool-proof. They're not, and any sane doctor will tell you. But the risks associated with not taking vaccines far outweigh the alternative.

I'm not trying to sound like an asshole, but it cannot be stressed enough - ideas like this are what cause unnecessary deaths. They're ignorant at best and abhorrent at worst.

This.

The mythos around vaccinations actually causing outward, unrelated diseases are a part of an ignorant campaign that stems from some whacked part of Christianity, alá Michele Bachmann's claim that HPV Vaccinations make you 'retarded'.

Tysonrss, Cancer is not a virus nor can any sort of vaccination actually spark cancer. When you read these things, they're conspiracy theories, just as those dumb FEMA 'Death Camps' causing the 'Second' Holocaust. You are listening to fear mongering, and if you do not have any vaccinations, your chance of catching very common, lethal diseases is going to skyrocket. Please stop reading into fear hanging conspiracy theories and get your vaccinations, it's medically irresponsible to yourself and others to avoid them.

What Amy, Ven, and Dev said.

Okay, there are undoubtedly pseudoscientist nutjobs out there with fake vaccines to trick people, but go to any REAL DOCTOR and you will find that the majority of vaccines SAVE PEOPLE.

Many of these false rumors stem from misunderstanding how they actually work, so here is Wikipedia's definition:



Yes, vaccines contain pathogens. Are they dangerous? Most likely not. If doctors are going to inject this in a bunch of patients, of course they're going to check that these dangerous agents are DEAD or WEAKENED before they use them.

I don't pay a damn attention to Penn and Teller because I can't stand the loud nutjob who think he's smart and who has to curse in every sentance made.

A cancer virus is a virus that can be linked to cancer.

This idea that vaccines are healthy and do their jobs is ludicrous. To the fellow who said "I believe in Science" Well, I feel sorry for you. I don't think anyone should just be trusted because of who they say they are.

How one man got away with mass fraud saying "it's just Science"

I have to refute any claim that any Government paid Scientist nutjob may say. If you want Scientist who do their jobs for money to be in control of your life that's fine. Keep me out of it. Funny though, any chart that has information and some nutjob mking himself sound smart is credible, such is the crackpot world we live in today.

I do my own research. I don't go off on hear-say and trust someone because of who they're affiliated with. I will say that I have never taken a vaccine and I'm just fine, I'm healthy, barely catch a cold, or any virus. So no, vaccines arren't really needed to make you stay alive. H1N1 is a perfect example of a over-hyped virus that got more attention then it deserved. More people died for taking the vaccines then those who didn't! LMAO!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I believe in many "conspiracy theorists" but I think it's also wise to not believe in everything a Government or scientist says either. Everyone likes spreading dis-info, and many people make money off of it. Alex Jones for example, he earns millions a year, I find some thing she says made up, but other things are true. I personally believe in the FEMA camps, because look at the detention camps when the Japs wee taken there, some and many got abbused and even killed.

Bottom line. Don't believe everything someone tells you. Do your own research. I do.

Are you 12?

clearly doesnt know how to do research *sad face*

I'm sorry you believe that, you'll learn a tough lesson later.

Lol, and here we go.

The typical response I've come to get when nothing else can be said. Sorry I may have thrashed your ideology, but yes it's true, you can't believe everything you come across. Though this shouldn't come off as a surprise, it's quite sad that it has.

Sickens me how so mis-guided we are that we believe anybody with a cheap suit on and money, and fuck those who actually present the facts.

Guess that's what happens when you present logic into an argument.

you havent presented any facts

I've said what I can say, but you pretty much said "nope that's my opinion and you're all being lied to."

This is the type of logic that simply can't be refuted, not because it's right but because it's not fact, it's just opinion. You didn't 'present logic', you just ignored everything said and maintained your ignorance.

Bro, don't be so jaded; you sound like a nutjob conspiracy theorist. Short versions, vaccinations do more harm than good, so don't try to keep people that need them away from them for fear of complications that don't even really go by factual evidence.

A level of skepticism for things is okay, but chillax

also this is beginning to sound like an elaborate troll.

Also i'm going to add that this thread personally offends me as a medical professional, and vaccinating people is something I do every single day, and I don't use non-FDAA approved vaccinations because I don't run a shady crack-clinic where a guy with a russian accent jams a needle in your arm and walks off.

It's not just my opinion on the matter.

But this asinine rhetoric about how vaccines are the key to every virus or sickness just well...sickens me! Especially when people take verbatim, what they're being fed without actually looking up on it. It's like if a guy gives you a gun and says "don't worry, it's not loaded" and when you're playing around with and act like you're about to blow your head off, and pull the trigger. Low and behold there was a bullet in it! But you trusted some guy or a friend that said otherwise.

The point I'm trying to make here is to actually look at the facts. Stop selling yourselves to the Presstitutes and the Government everytime they say something is good for you. This is the wrong road to travel. The day I just let someone else do the thinking for me is the day I take my 22 out my drawer here and take my own life.

You are also taking what you're being fed in exactly the same way. There is absolutely no difference. I would rather believe what a professional says with the risk it's wrong, than believe something some nutjob on youtube says which is far more likely to be wrong.

If you read most of my posts, you'd see that's the opposite of what I do. I actually do the research on these things and just don't go off of hearsay.

It's still sad that you would rather believe a "Professional" then do your own research. Replace the word "Scientist" with "Professional" in that article I posted above. (btw, there are plenty of professionals on the conspiracy side too <_< of course you wouldn't know this since you don't watch the "nutjobs")The fact of you saying they're "most more likely to be wrong" is just your opinion.

great research





no one says vaccines are th ekey to every virus/sickness, nor is it touted as being perfect.
luckily, we're not trusting some friend/guy, we're trusting licensed professionals run by governments, hospitals, and in general organizations. We're not listening to just 1 singular guy who's saying some crap, we're listening to raw data backed by numerous people that have degrees. hum


means that you've done this before, gotten similar responses that you are wrong, and so you trudge on with your minority ideal becuase you're correct and everyone else is wrong, even though we've tried telling you that you are wrong, lots of times.
you think there might be some meaning in this?


oh yeah btw you've used a crapload of rhetoric so far, so you've got that nail down.
now er

You may "do the research", yes, but this research is always secondary not primary - i.e. you are reading reports from somebody else. Or, even, somebody else's interpretation of said reports.

So again, I state my own opinion copied from my post above but with different wording,

I would rather believe a professional's interpretation of the research than somebody else's interpretation of the research. I know that I personally cannot take in all of the research. If I studied the research professionally, it would take months, as you cannot acertain anything from one trial or one report; even if I was just studying medical journals it would take a long time to actually get a hypothesis together.

I don't watch the nutjobs because that does not qualify as research, not in any professional sense.

My idea of the word professional is the same as scientific and scientific means something it is not just a throwaround word as you are suggesting. (Again, I suggest reading Bad Science which would show you what I mean by "professional" and/or "scientific".

It is good to be sceptical, but you have to be sceptical of everything. You can't just decide to be sceptical about EVIL SCIENCE and instead not be sceptical about "alternatives".

I'm skeptical and hold a silver tongue on any subject that I know may have been proved to be phony time and again. When you have liars running things and many people that do things for money, then one should always be vigilant, regardless of how they feel or what their interpretation is. It's either always something, or it's ever really nothing. Given the world we live in though, I've been more accustomed to the former while you're moreso accustomed to the latter.

Hmm... somehow I saw this thread coming...
Either you're a troll, or you're someone with a very fucked up mind, I don't know which one is worse.



If that's "your research" then I think I'll stick to the research that actually involves testing stuff.



How is your story even close to logic...?
You're basically saying: Hey everything is a conspiracy, oh and I have youtube videos to prove it.

Then why are you more sceptical of those saying it works than those saying it doesn't? The ones saying it does are medical institutions which go through rigorous testing and scientific procedure; the ones that don't are far more likely to be in it for the money, especially these youtube folk.

And here we go again. As I've said, I don't take Alex Jones as seriously as I used to. But he is the only one in the "conspiracy theory" deal that actually have scientist and other proffessionals on his show at times.

How's your opinion so different or better then mine?


Which is why this world is a sick mess, when we have people only and solely relying on black suits with money, they're always known to tell the truth, however, when you have someone who isn't afraid to speak their mind...they're either a nut or a conspiracy theorist.

I think this is a good meme.

So I'm a troll for denying hog-wash?

This logic baffles me.

Which is kind of the point. The ones who don't normally aren't "in it for money" as that's the other way around.

You can't deny that many Scientist/Nurses or anyhting of the sort happen to be in it just for the sake of it. Whenver you hear people nowadays, they're saying "yeah, I'll make this much, that's the only reason why I'm doing it". This day and age, it's only for the money, and less of helping others. So, they'll say whatever they have to for the profit. It's not rocket science.