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    Amy
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:34 am
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THIS SUMMER ON .ORG


Not to downplay the hard work of the rest of the admins, I'd just like to say I am now an admin again and ready for action.

There is a big plan for the near future but that's all I'm saying, it will be cool but it's probably a bit off yet a while.

Other than that the reason I am posting this is:

What do you want on .org?

I realise I failed you hard with the resource manager, wiki, pastebin, etc. I made the mistake of using a bad web host and trying to make .org something it's not. We are a forum, and any new things should make use of that. What is a resource manager but a forum where you can't chat? Chat is the best part of the resource forums.

What I want to know is what do you miss that's been lost over the years? What do you want that could be imagined? Or is everything fine!

State of the Site

We're doing pretty damned fine at the moment. People are talking to each other, we have good mod-member relations, IRC is picking up nicely again and the rec room doesn't dominate. We have some great threads and such.

At the moment we have the great workshops going on - if you need to know more you should check them out!

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So what is this announcement?

It isn't so much a "this is what's coming: x" announcement.

This is to say, if you have any suggestions, no matter how amazingly over the top, post them. Either here, or in the feedback forum.

We're motoring again.


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    glorious caesar
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:36 am
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your welcome champ :thumb:

but also

FUCK YEAH GO .ORG!!!!!!!!


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    bacon
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:36 am
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Workshops
We are doing workshops, as you guys may of noticed. Every 2 weeks, a new workshop is posted and members can test their mettle and learn about new stuff.

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    Amy
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:47 am
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Sorry, yes, the workshops are going pretty well!


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    Tuna
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:01 am
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How 'bout dem .ORGies?

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    StrawberrySmiles
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:31 pm
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Tuna wrote:
How 'bout dem .ORGies?


I wondered about that too. O_oa

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    Daxis
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:01 pm
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writing workshop and contest please
and not a free for all, do it or not, no one did anything fails sorta thing :P
collaborative project anyone? I remember the site did something like that, and it was handed to devy or bacon, and never got finished
intersite actions? force someone to learn php/html/etc.?
I'm just thinking of "hard" actions we can do, particularly to revitalize the creative sides of the forums (ie, art, games, etc. parts, which are sorta weak imo).

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    RavenTDA
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 2:14 pm
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The artwork forum has become more of a well artwork forum and less of well... a resource forum. I still am very unhappy with the state of that section of the site. I still think it's too broken up. And it's really geared more for art in general. I think it needs to be reworked so that it's for game resources again and less mixed up with just artwork in general and pixel art or whatever is going on with it. The activity in there is extremely low still and the original problem there still exists. I used to really like that section back in the day but I feel like it's gotten really lost and don't even bother visiting it anymore which is a shame.

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    Daxis
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:09 pm
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sorta agree; what happened to creativity forum? Even if it woudl be a lot more deadish, seperating the resources from the creativity would prolly help.

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    dadevvtsvre
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:20 pm
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Daxis wrote:
collaborative project anyone? I remember the site did something like that, and it was handed to devy or bacon, and never got finished
That was Pass It On. The reason it didn't do so well was that the deadlines were too long and lax, and it lost interest before it ever finished. It was definitely a good learning experience and a fun thing to do, and there's nothing wrong with starting something like that up again.

Tuna wrote:
How 'bout dem .ORGies?
We were thinking of booting these back up later in the year, November/December time. They're definitely still happening.

RavenTDA wrote:
The artwork forum has become more of a well artwork forum and less of well... a resource forum. I still am very unhappy with the state of that section of the site. I still think it's too broken up. And it's really geared more for art in general. I think it needs to be reworked so that it's for game resources again and less mixed up with just artwork in general and pixel art or whatever is going on with it. The activity in there is extremely low still and the original problem there still exists. I used to really like that section back in the day but I feel like it's gotten really lost and don't even bother visiting it anymore which is a shame.
Definitely agree with you here - game resources and creative arts should not be lumped together, especially with the weird system we have right now. Resources should be their own forum, not a subforum under Artwork.


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    Amy
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:36 pm
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I would quite like to have a resource forum again. I guess the problem is some threads can go in both, and the critique is mostly the same; although I see the point entirely.


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    bacon
  Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:02 pm
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    Sir Ver
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:39 am
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bacon wrote:
Workshops
We are doing workshops, as you guys may of noticed. Every 2 weeks, a new workshop is posted and members can test their mettle and learn about new stuff.


Workshops? Such as Scripting or Spriting workshops?
That would be beast.


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    dadevvtsvre
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:47 am
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Perihelion is going to start a spriting workshop within the next couple of weeks, actually :O


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    Sir Ver
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:52 am
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Great! I can't wait. That sounds exciting!


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    Perihelion
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:42 pm
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It should be exciting! I'm going to do a discussion of color use in pixel art and then maybe another one later about general pixel technique. Maybe I should do the pixel technique one first, but the skills are separate enough that I feel they can be worked on separately, and I consider color my area of expertise.

As for the art forum, yeah, I agree it's dead. I've been considering merging Edits & Rips with artwork, but it's really hard to undo if we decide it was a bad idea. I honestly wouldn't object to merging all of the subforums into one board, but iirc people started freaking out last time I suggested that. Thoughts? And what other suggestions do people have?

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    Amy
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:44 pm
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I wonder if there is some way to use the one board as both a pixel art critique and a game resources board, by using flags.

Clicking resources would only show resources, but clicking pixel art would give both.

I think it would be easy to do, with topic icons or something, but is it a good idea?

(Relating to Raven's post I mean).

I'd be sad to lose the pixel art board altogether, it used to be good. But we should have a resources thing too.


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    Perihelion
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:53 pm
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Do people actually go to the forums looking for resources to use? Because I always thought no one did. But if they do, resources that people are allowed to use and resources that people aren't allowed to use should be separate.

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    StrawberrySmiles
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:01 pm
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When I first came here, I was looking for resources.

(That's how I met Star, actually - but 'tis another day).

So maybe some might.

I don't actually like going through forums to look for resources. I like going through categories like what RRR or Creation Asylum have. But that's just me. I like clicking on XP, then charactersets, then RTP or addons. It helps me a lot. ^^

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    Perihelion
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:10 pm
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Yeah, it seems to me that forums would be an awful medium for looking for resources, but then no one used the resource manager, so...???

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    Misery
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:26 pm
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Amy Pond wrote:
This is to say, if you have any suggestions, no matter how amazingly over the top


Really? :heart:

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    StrawberrySmiles
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:47 pm
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Perihelion wrote:
Yeah, it seems to me that forums would be an awful medium for looking for resources, but then no one used the resource manager, so...???


I did a lot, actually. :(

Especially when I was looking for icons and RTP addons.

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    Perihelion
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:59 pm
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Oh, really? Hmmm, interesting.

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    Amy
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:01 pm
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People use them a lot in other places. The one we used to have got a lot of activity. The resource manager was a dud and nobody used it though.

I think given we're a forum, if we're having resources it should be a forum not some external manager etc. Forums are great for chat, critique, etc; they're designed for sharing not leeching and it gives the concept of improving on resources and community resource making rather than just a download manager. That was a mistake tbh.


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    StrawberrySmiles
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:17 pm
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The only thing I didn't like about the forums for resources, was looking. I would put something in the search bar and I'd get VX stuff when I'm using XP or something like that. Or I'd get requests that were never filled and, thus no resource. o.o

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    Perihelion
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 6:23 pm
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Maybe the solution is forcing people to add category tags for new threads in a resource forum that can then be searched. So it stays as a forum, but you can still look up charsets for XP or whatever if you want to.

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    RavenTDA
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A while back ago when I first came active again I gave a bunch of suggestions on the shape of the art board. I still feel very strongly about my ideas. I still think we should have a resource section (that includes custom stuff, edits & rips) and then a completely different forum for artwork that's just for artwork in general that doesn't necessarily have to do with game making or not. Music could be lumped in to either for a game or not... but that's up to the person on if they think it's something that is made specific for a game or they're just showing their music... so it can be placed either spot.

We could have critique thread or forum for stuff that is made for games and not meant to be used as resources. So it's very clear what's what if that is going to be a problem. I also think a HUGE amount of people originally came to rpg forums to get either ideas (as in seeing what others can do with the program and play them), look for how-to-tutorials, or get graphical / musical / script resources. Tell me these weren't your reasons. I came originally for those same reasons and can tell you I didn't really stick around long to places that didn't have a huge place for graphics. The reason why I'm here is because I already know the people around here but what makes me come back to places normally is to check out new art (because I like that stuff)... and also why I like RMVX.net so much. They have a really strong resource section which is what this resource section used to look like back in the day which is really a shame.

Please believe me. :angel:

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    Perihelion
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:43 pm
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You raise some good points. I'll make a thread in staff.

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    Venetia
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Perihelion wrote:
As for the art forum, yeah, I agree it's dead. I've been considering merging Edits & Rips with artwork, but it's really hard to undo if we decide it was a bad idea. I honestly wouldn't object to merging all of the subforums into one board, but iirc people started freaking out last time I suggested that. Thoughts? And what other suggestions do people have?

Yes I was the one freaking out.
They don't belong in a combination unless there is a legitimate and well-done construct in place that separates art by type.

As there is not, and I can't think of any that would be easy to apply retroactively, I'm against merging non-art with art, simply because both categories describe things you look at and may or may not be able to use in some creative/visual fashion.

Edits & rips are not art, nor do they imply it; they should not be mixed.

And IDT the art board is dead -- there are just a few good "catchall" threads in there that get the activity. When most people just want to doodle & show their doodles, they can post in the Post a Sketch thread, etc. People seldom have galleries of finished works to showcase. And, if they did, they would only be one-shot deals that are infrequently/seldomly/never updated.

So the board would look as dead as ever. Even if it's not.

I DO agree with a better tagging system. But it'll take a HUGE amount of work to make tags apply to all the umpteen million things spanning back these last 6+ years.
Especially considering the image links may very well be broken.


I think the best first step would be to get a new image/resource host.
A secure one ...

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    So fist
  Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:43 pm
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I think all .org pages should have some kind of pornography available. I'm sick of having to browse away every time i feel horny. It's a pain in the ass!


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