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    afgho
  Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:27 pm
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Here is mine:

[url=http://www.hbgames.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=293&t=76344][img]http://hapshack.com/images/8lwGN.png[/img][/url]

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    handi
  Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:55 pm
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Hi all, please add mine too.. Thank you :)

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    Eventing_Guy
  Tue Mar 27, 2012 8:52 pm
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For what ever reason, my images were taken off ImageShack,
I HAVE to... (well not really, but for convinience) repost my link.

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    Venetia
  Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:04 pm
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There are so many userbars, I had to modify how my signature was displayed, haha. Code in OP is updated if anyone wishes to use that.

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    gillenew
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:30 am
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myy ^^

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    onzephyr
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:48 am
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Userbar Go!
[url=http://www.hbgames.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=293&t=76279][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3285817/drunken_wizard_ub01.gif[/img][/url]

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    Venetia
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:50 pm
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NOTE: Game threads still need panache!!!

The final days of the contest are upon us, but I'm still not blown away by your game threads.
This really should be the easiest part of your contest-entering process, but I'm still seeing bland, boring-looking threads!

I went through every single thread, and the best-looking threads of the bunch (as of this writing) are:
Project:GRID and GREEN 2: RED

But even these are still not quite what I'd consider gold-standard.

Some of your threads have made attempts -- that's true. A lot of you have nice, visible logos. Some have replaced the backgrounds using the [ bgall] tags. Some showcase screenshots in a noticeable way, or have instantly-noticed demo links. A couple have modified-looking text.
But still none of them have the polish that I'd consider to be '4 point' quality (though if today were the last day, a couple of people may earn 4's for making up for it with all their other marketing work).




RE: "I've done all I can! BBCode is hard! I'm not good at graphic design blah blah! D:"

No, it's not hard! You're just not trying!
It takes about an hour or so to make a really eye-catching thread. Consider it like making a webpage ... You probably wouldn't want to just settle for ugly black Times New Roman on blank white without any CSS or styling at all, right?
If you see a nice-looking thread but don't understand how they do something with the bbcode ... QUOTE IT! If you quote it (but don't post), and snip out the [ quote] tags, you'll be able to see everything that makes that thread tick.

Consider the tags: [ bgall], [ color], [ font=], [ size=], [ b], [ i], [ sp], [ pre], [ imgzoom], [ imgaj], [ flash=x,y], [ youtube], [ center], [ float=right], [ float=left], [ justify] ... The list goes on and on!
Experiment!
Don't forget that you can preview when editing, too :D

You don't want to go overboard -- For instance, don't use more than 2 different fonts. Don't use clashing colors just to have colors on there. Avoid marquees or too much visual clutter.
But 99% of the contest entry threads are going majorly UNDERBOARD so I don't think that going overboard should be a huge concern yet :D






RE: "Okay, but ... What SHOULDN'T I do?? :((("

Some threads look like they're on the way to 4-point-quality, but they're over-spoilered.

I don't want to have to click a spoiler to see important screenshots or very pertinent information. If you have like WAY TOO MUCH CRAP in your thread, then spoiler unimportant stuff. I will click the spoilers if I am so interested in reading the stuff that I really need to see what's in them spoilers.

Avoid over-cluttering with non-essential information, but, especially if you are showing graphics -- don't be afraid to ADVERTISE what your game can really do.

Using graphics to mark different section headers (like banners) is a great idea!
Lining your screenshots up and centering them, so they fill the window instead of forcing the user to scroll down, is an awesome idea!
Avoiding Comic Sans and ALL CAPS MONOTYPE CORSIVA are excellent rules of thumb!!!
But still remember that you should only use fonts that everyone can see, outside of images.






RE: "What examples can you show, then, Venetia? HMMM??"

A lot of people don't know about the [ bgall] tag, so I can't show too many examples of people using that. However, consider these non-contest threads:

+ Finding Eden, by Sailerius -- This one is actually quite thread-bare, but all the sections are LARGE, styled, and not confused with too much or too little information.

+ CrystalShire by RobinP -- This one is heavy on information, but everything is sectioned out nicely, with big, lovely images and screenshots to look at.

+ Tales of the Drunken Paladin: HOBOTROPOLIS by Drunken Paladin -- Look at those big, bold graphics, front-and-center download link, and obvious, easy-to-find advertising/social networking info. Awesome!

+ "TV Dinnah" TWODO -- This isn't a project, but look at the theming. It'd be better if marquees were avoided, but otherwise, everything really stands out and grabs your attention.

+ Design a Contest Announcement -- This one doesn't even have any imagery, but it's still themed. Sections are obvious.

+ CREATE! Contest Week 2 -- Ignore the linked-yet-missing .SWF file at the top (that used to be an animated logo/banner). As you can see, the sections are large, bold, and easy to see. Text is themed and there's even a nice background.






RE: "D: D: D: This sounds dumb. I don't wanna do it. Slapping text on there is fine. Mwaah :sad: :down: :ouch: :cry: "

Hey, it's your entry, and you can earn your points however you want.
Like I said, even if your thread isn't perfect, but you have gone above and beyond in everything else for Marketing, then you probably don't have anything to worry about.

But if you're not really going above & beyond, AND your thread looks boring/lame? Don't expect a '4' in Marketing. :D






Hope the examples help some of you <3

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    gillenew
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:11 pm
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Very nice point Venetia, I'm really struggling against time to try to organize everything before 31 :O

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    handi
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:16 pm
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Thanks Venetia. I agree with gillenew, we are still trying our best to tweaking our games before 31st to make sure the game is perfect.

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    Venetia
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:17 pm
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I understand. The point of that post was mostly just to give some people more insight into what judges will be looking for when it comes to perfect Marketing scores, not to pressure people :>
I wasn't really expecting all the entries to have gorgeous threads yet since most of you are still developing, but I didn't want anyone to just get complacent.

I just don't want people getting upset about Marketing scores dragging them down and saying "I didn't know what you EXPECTED! D:"

So, there you go, that's exactly what we expect :D

It's like a professor asking you to write a term paper, and then they give you all the facts and arguments and cited references, so all you have to do is write it out in the same document and add punctuation. :]

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    Jason
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:44 pm
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Well I think my thread is doing well enough as it is anyway, it's gaining attention and posts (Although quite a few of the posts are from me with updates and such... but meh), I have everything set under headers with a logo and even terribly made section bars, lol... and I have screenshots and an easy to find demo link, lol. I think I'll be on a 3, (maybe a 4 if I'm lucky) and I'm happy with it as it is :thumb:

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    Venetia
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:53 pm
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In the interest of being a judge, I can't specifically say how exactly I will rate things, but if you feel pleased with what you have, and you're not worried about it, then ... There's nothing to worry about, right? :D

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    Jason
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:59 pm
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Exactly! :thumb:

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    handi
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:02 pm
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@Venetia. OK, thanks again for your hard work :cute: I've updated my thread hope it will be better now. Will add more details when the time comes.

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    Venetia
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:16 pm
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Thanks handi, I checked out your thread, and yes, it's quite lovely! Add a [ bgall] background, and I'd say it's one of the nicest threads in the contest.

Your grammar needs help, though. I assume English isn't your native language? Would you like assistance with ensuring your grammar is correct? I'm sure any English speaker would not mind helping you with that at all.

(The name is Venetia, by the way, no 'n'. But "Venetian" isn't a bad name either, :haha: )

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    rosareven
  Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:21 pm
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Thanks for the tips Venetia. I never "beautified" a forum post purposely at all. The best I have ever done in the past was a documentation style heading separation XD


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    arikrak
  Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:50 am
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Sorry, a bit late on this.
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    handi
  Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:53 am
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Haha.. Yes, that's the problem. need begging someone to correct my grammar :sad:

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    BlueScope
  Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:23 pm
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Alright, all you graphic whores got me to put some polish on my thread as well... now leave me alone with this marketing stuff, I got a game to do here!! :grin:

By the way, here's a 19px tall signature for those who want it. Everyone going for the uncompiled game data, please keep the version you already got (animated 57px) in your signature, thanks ;)

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    Venetia
  Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:26 pm
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Thanks much. Your thread is looking quite spiffy now, as well. :D

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    gillenew
  Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:36 pm
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pheew.. finally the mechanisms are engaged and the power is in the stalk, now I just need to finish the layout of the site and PowW! Let's break it all!!

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    Tuna
  Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:38 pm
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THANKS FOR THE GREAT DESIGN TIPS, VEN!

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    Glitchfinder
  Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:28 am
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Ven, what was it you were saying about signature height? I ask because this is a screen of your signature on my computer. Now, I realize that I keep my browser on half a screen, but ideally, a signature should be formattable to prevent even that.

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    Tuna
  Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:14 am
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Glitchfinder wrote:
Ven, what was it you were saying about signature height? I ask because this is a screen of your signature on my computer. Now, I realize that I keep my browser on half a screen, but ideally, a signature should be formattable to prevent even that.

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Fix your window margins, brah. The majority of the internet is viewing these pages at 1366x768+ resolution. :tongue:

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    Glitchfinder
  Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:22 am
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Tuna wrote:
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Ven, what was it you were saying about signature height? I ask because this is a screen of your signature on my computer. Now, I realize that I keep my browser on half a screen, but ideally, a signature should be formattable to prevent even that.

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Fix your window margins, brah. The majority of the internet is viewing these pages at 1366x768+ resolution. :tongue:


As I mentioned, I keep my browser on half my monitor. If I REALLY wanted to, I could view the same post at 2048x1152, which looks something like this:

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The reason I don't do this is because it feels like a huge waste of space when I could prevent tabbing altogether with a bit of window management.

Also, I would like to mention that just because your monitor is tiny, don't assume mine is too. Those browser statistics pages check your display resolution and then assume you've got the browser fullscreen, which is horribly inaccurate, especially including Win7's snapto feature.

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    Tuna
  Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:25 am
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I suppose you could say you found a... glitch. :shades: :shades: :shades:

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    Eventing_Guy
  Sat Mar 31, 2012 2:18 pm
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Tuna wrote:
I suppose you could say you found a... glitch. :shades: :shades: :shades:


no no no... it should be more like...

"It looks like you found...

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A Glitch"

anyway I had that same proble so I erased my sig.


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    Venetia
  Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:52 pm
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I'm conserving vertical space the best way I can by having all images capable of horizontally aligning themselves. If you choose to browse at a wacky atypical resolution or browser size then that's not really my problem :)

I'll be modifying my signature again after contest start, and again after contest finish, so it's not going to last forever.

(I'm the one running the contest ... So OF COURSE I'm going to be advertising all entries)

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    vrety
  Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:17 pm
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Lol, I can't belive that I read this entry only 2 times.
-First time is when this entry is create, I try create new banner but I don't have image and lazy to search. Then I think it don't important and forget it :barf: .
-Second time is after I summit my entry, and now I see my entry didn't use any tips that Venetia post. My entry is very boring and terrible :cry: :cry: . How is embarrassed, at that time I only think how to make a game :sad: .

This C2 contest really have too much lesson that I must learn for a game maker. Anyway, I satisfied with my game in last time.

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    Venetia
  Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:52 am
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I need to mention, now that there's only 1 hour left, even though I really didn't think this would even happen:

If your game thread is nothing but a sentence and a link, and you've made zero attempt to really participate with others in this contest on this forum,
the judges are being instructed to give you a '0' in marketing.

No hard feelings, but hopefully your game will make up for your lack of points in that category.

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