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    coyotecraft
  Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:42 pm
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    RTP Comparison: MV | MZ
  • BGM: 89 | 48
  • BGS: 29 | 29
  • me: 27 | 27
  • se: 355 | 345
  • BattleBacks1: 76 | 51
  • BattleBacks2: 78 | 50
  • Characters: 46(files) | 45(files, MZ has more doors)
  • Enemies: 105 | 105
  • Faces: 15 | 15
  • Parallaxes: 15 | 21
  • Pictures: 0 | 120 (character busts)
  • Sv_actors: 41 | 40
  • Sv_enemies: 105 |105
  • Tilesets: 31 | 31
  • Titles: 22 | 20
  • Titles2: 2 | 2

When they said MZ had the biggest resource library, I was calling bullshit. The only thing it has in excess is Character art. MV technically had that too but withheld for, preorder incentives I think.
MZ has notably fewer assets than MV's original release. Mostly lacking the modern/scifi assets. For the most part, MZ recreates almost everything from MV. I did notice a handful of tiles are just recolors of MV tiles. I seriously think we got an unfinished draft, or something. All the colors have been compressed and index. And I'm not 100% sure it was done intentionally.

Here's my initial evaluation of the resource material, in pictures, since it's hard to talk about otherwise.


The Music sounds more unified compared to MV, a welcomed improvement. It doesn't go from industrial to instrumental.
However something sounds off and wasn't like that in the Youtube preview. It's sounds kind of - I'm not good with audio terms - but i want to say tinny. Like an old tv set that somebody has twisted the Treble knob to high.
So that, plus the indexed colored graphics makes me think someone got carried away trying to compress everything.


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    coyotecraft
  Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:02 pm
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The monster designs are a little more practical this time around. What do I mean by "practical"? I'm looking at all the resources as a whole and judging the potential applications. For example MV had Baby Spirits, and colorful monsters, a demon jester crawling out of an angel. The question is, what can you do with it and where do you use it?

MZ has a lot of Demons, Devils, Demi-humans, Goblins. Practical everything is bi-peddle. Out of the 105 enemies, only 12 are on all fours(or more). This is both good and bad. The good thing about humanoids is that they can fit about any environment.
You can put them in snow, caves, deserts. They're kind of universal. MV had a lot of critters, but you didn't have a lot to work with for settings outside of forests and demon castles.

MZ has a lot of aquatic monsters. Instead of Elemental Spirits, this time they feature classical creatures: Salamander, Undine, Sylph, and Gnome. While Salamander and Undine are covered in their elements of fire and water. Sylph and Gnome are more plant and fungus than wind and earth. There is an Earth Knight at least.
I mentioned above that The Chinese "Modern/Scifi" Set has a Phoenix, but not the dragon, turtle, and tiger to complete the 4 directions. Not very feng shui of them.
I've also mention how there is no backgrounds to go with the Scifi machines, mafia, ect...You'll have to borrow from MV if you have it.

There are Gorilla & Monkey soldiers and an anaconda that would work for a jungle. The Scifi Overworld has Tropical looking islands to support it. But then again, there are no Jungle tiles.
Additionally, there are a number of Japanese themed monsters such as Oni and Kappas. However, your'll have to make do with some rudimentary housing. Strangely enough, one of the titlescreens is a Japanese village. However there aren't any tiles to go with it.

The Actors all look amazing. They're all sporting Blue and Gold for the most part. I think that was suppose to be a theme.
There is at least 1 dud though. Actor2_6, a female lancer, her front-view battler looks like she twisted too far and broke her spine.
I've already mentioned the missing actor battlers. That's something I'll aim to remedy myself.


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    coyotecraft
  Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:00 pm
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I finally got around to previewing the battle animations. Because it uses a particle engine the animations aren't identical. But the SE still play by frame numbers. I'm not sure if the particle burst generate at a precise timing or not, but it sounds a little off.
I know with the Earth_All animation the rocks are suppose to disappear with a Sand SE, but the timing is off by like 30 frames.

The animations are, again, recreations of previous makers. And it's kind dumb. Previously the effects were limited to the cell size of animation sheet. So the Water_All animation appeared as 3 waterfalls in a row. MZ + effekseer shouldn't have that limitation. But the Water_All animation in MZ is still 3 streams of water.
There's a lot of magic circle animations, but they're tilted on a different plane than what the battle backgrounds suggest. I can fix this in Effekseer but it's kind of annoying.

Here is some more things other people have found.
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Scifi outside tileset has a number of issues. The food and shop stalls in MV had trays you could swap out with other tiles. MZ seemed to just mindlessly recreate tiles with no clue how they go together.
There are grass and dirt stairs but they don't match the other tiles. Pretty sure the Crimson Demonic earth should have stairs.
There's carpeted stairs that don't go with anything, I think I mentioned this before but I feel like I should also point out that this is suppose to be an "outside" set and carpets are generally interior things anyways.

The Zombie Dog has a line artifact in both the Frontview and SV versions. It's really only noticeable on dark background.

Some of the vehicles have an inconsistent bounce animation. Up and Down in one direction, but side to side in another direction.
This fancy canoe isn't really sitting in water, or have ripples like the other ships. I suppose it could be a magic flying thing for up in the clouds maybe? But in MV the corresponding vehicle is a log raft with a sail.


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    coyotecraft
  Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:53 pm
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I hate the crystals. They're an attractive shape at first glance. But animated they just, idk, change facet sizes slightly. Also the color is reduced so they have obvious banding.

The tilesets typically have a camp fire. A circle of stones or a pile of wood. And then you'd place a Flame character set on top of it.
MZ has a circle stone fire pit on the tilesets, but a squarish pyre characterset. It does, however, have an open flame in different sizes and positions that can go in fireplaces or on a fire pit.
It's good enough and not really something to complain about. But, still...

Here's just another example of the Titleset lunacy. It's not arranged with the Dungeon Generator in mind. Ace and MV had correspondence issues as well. But MZ takes it to a new level. No one is going to generate a dungeon with nothing but stairs!
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    coyotecraft
  Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:54 am
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Thankfully the Japanese tkool forum is aware of some of the graphical issues and has started correcting them. Their revisions will probably be release for the English Version sometime in the future I expect.

One of the Desert Buildings had messed up corners.
The generator has an extra file for Male Hair #13 that gives the portrait long hair it shouldn't have. You just have to find and delete the file if you want to use that hairstyle properly.

Also, they're including a variation of Female clothing #23 without the hood.

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    coyotecraft
  Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:47 am
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Today I noticed there's a difference between the bust art and full body art.
It wouldn't be noticeable to anyone using browsing the files with a photo viewer at 50%. I'm convincing myself that that is how the QA inspection went.
There's a lot of color banding, but on the portraits, I personally mind. Maybe because I focus more on the expression. Lol, that's a joke with porn artists, as long as key points look good then you can leave the extremities as featureless blobs.
It rubs me the wrong with with the tilesets though. The quality has been reduced for the worst.
But maybe these days it's negligible? Maybe not everyone will be playing in pixel perfect resolution? Idk...
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    coyotecraft
  Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:30 pm
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    coyotecraft
  Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:24 pm
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I've been monitoring the tkool forums for updates.
The next fix is Actor 2_6 characterset, the walking up frame was missing her gold circlet.


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    coyotecraft
  Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:09 pm
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Next fix is a duplicate window frame. One is suppose to have window shutters.
These are all very small, very minor updates. I don't think they'll be reordering the tilesets, creating new sets, or any major revisions. My guess is that whoever made the tilesets was a temp hire. But they have to be aware of many of the faults. Right? *nervous laugh*

The japanese forums aren't super active. I attempted to post, using google translate, questioning the completeness of the tilesets. Along with a screenshot, drawing attention to designs in battlebacks. The topic I was posting in was for resource consolation.
Other people have been questioning things like the doors. There's cloth doors in 3 subtle shades. But none of them match the tent tiles or anything else. So the question is, where were we suppose to use it?
There's this big chimney tile. But it's a weird chimney. Not something you'd see on an ordinary house. Imo it looks more like a big urn. The description says chimney. But the text descriptions is wrong in other places, so it could be wrong.


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