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Valcrist
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:27 am
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Topic taken from rmxpuniverse.com.

Well, i've been browsin' on rmxp.org resources request lately, and i saw heaps of unresolved request on side-view battler resources. And after chatting with my friend bestone, i've been thinkin' if only we could make an online side-view battler generator for rmxpu member. This will surely makes many n00bs happy and they can continue on their project. And it's more better to gather the sideview spriter to do spriting for one generator.

Here's the design for the online sideview battler generator idea. If you do like my idea, then cast a vote and the reason why you want this generator so Punk will maybe considered to make this generator. If you had a comment & critism, another design, or even willing to contribute your sprite, post it. It will be good for the development of many promising good games.

THE LAYOUT

Here's the layout design for this generator. It's rather crude, because i'm hurriedly making it. Sorry for the eyesore images.

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This generator uses the same engine as the RTP Maker generator in rmxpuniverse.com, with the same features and layer.

The squares on the right are the frames of each battler poses. Because right now it's popular to use minkoff's-11 poses spritesheet battler, please make it 11 poses.

You can click the frames you want to edit, and the frames will be highlighted in left box for your costumization ease. The left box are also had hue / saturation layer for customize the color of the highlighted layer.

And the lower box are used for the templates and chipsets that you want to be added in in the left box. The content of this box are:

BODY | HANDS | HAIR | EYES | WEAPONS | ARMORS | HEADGEAR | PANTS | SHOES | EXTRA

-BODY
Contains the basic armless body of the template.
Sub-Categories: Male Body, Female Body, Monster Body(Next for v1.2)
-Extra Sub-Categories: Ready Poses, Struck Poses, Low-HP Poses, Defend Poses, Charge Poses, Retreat Poses, Attack Poses, Item Poses, Skill Poses, Victory Poses, Defeat Poses

-HANDS
Contains the hands poses with certain figures, like holding a sword, a gun, or even a katar. Sub-Categories: Swords, Shield-bearing, Spear, Axe & Mace, Gun, Bow, Dagger, Martial, Extra.

-HAIR
Contains the hair part of the templates.
Sub-Categories: Male Hair, Female Hair.

-EYES
Contains the eyes of the battler.
Sub-Categories: Male Eyes, Female Eyes.

-WEAPONS
Contains the weapon of the battler uses.
Sub-Categories: Sword, Shields, Spear, Axe, Mace, Gun, Bow, Dagger, Knuckles, Extra.

-ARMORS
Contains the gears that battler wear.
Sub-Categories: Armors, Robes, Clothes, Extras.

-PANTS & SHOES
Contains the pants and leggings that battler wear.
Sub-Categories: Pants, Leggings.

-EXTRAS

Contains the Extras part that you can add to enhance your battler looks. (Ex: Ribbons, Wings, etc)

End of the list!

RESOURCES

I'm gonna make some poll for which battler styles we'll using for our generator. The templates that comes in my mind now are White Ties and Summon Nights. The examples of the templates are as follows:

BS Template by Bestone:

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White Ties Template by Ganonfrog:

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And for Summon Nights, I'm gonna rip them soon. But this the WiP for your referrence:

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And, the contributors of the generator sprites are: (Note: The bold names are the one who willing to do this.)

-Bestone
-Ganonfrog
-LegacyBlade
-Sux2BU a.k.a. Valcrist


I'm gonna ask them to sprite one WiP frame of the nude template and one random battler to see which sprite they have to work on.

-Body Templates
-Weapons and Armors
-Hair, Eyes, and Extras


Guys in my wanted list:
-Dollmage: The most reowned White Ties Battler Spriter
-Venetia: HK-Spriter. I think she can sprite sideview battlers too.

If you want to contribute your work for this generator project, sign up in here! i'm gonna make sure you will get a proper credits. And mention which sprite you would like to work on and post your WiP in here so we could observe them.

FAQ

Q: Who is Punk?
A: Management of RMXPUniverse.com and also the one who make the online RTP Maker for RMXPUniverse member.

Q: Are you gonna bring this generator to this forum?
A: I'm not the one who made it. I'm just have the idea, and it's goes to Punk to decided if he's gonna put this generator in here.

Q: When this generator will be done? I can't wait!!  :cry:
A: As soon as possible. I'm gonna take a survey of which template and Generator design until 28 February. and we will start to making the resources.

Q: Just who the hell are you?
A: Just a simple-minded n00bs that called Valcrist in many sites and Sux2BU in RMXPUniverse.

CLOSURE

Well, if you guys want to ask Punk to do this generator, then cast your vote! He will maybe making the system if the entire members are agreed and giving a reasonable comment. And don't forget, if you had other design for the layout design, or even willing to contribute something, just post it! No need to be shy, your work will be greatly credited.

UPDATES! Read here: Guys, i need you to choose which templates we're gonna use. And should we separate the hands from the body or not ?

The reason why the hands are separated are for the variance of the battler poses, but i'm just concerned if many users of this generator found it difficult to use because we have add layer one by one per each frame and it's gonna cost a lot of time to stack the them all.  So, which one you would like to choose, Variability or easiness ?

Please cast your votes in this page:

http://www.hbgames.org/forums/index.php?to ... 87.new#new

And for those with MSN, you can add me: crozz_over_exl@hotmail.com

Once again, C&C, please.....

First of all, please see my Sideview Battler Generator idea on this page:

http://www.hbgames.org/forums/index.php?to ... 68.new#new

Guys, need you all to choose which template we're gonna use for the Sideview Generator. There are 3 choice: BS Template, White Ties Template, and Summon Night Template.

And lastly, should we separate the arms from the template for more movement variance? Despite of it's usefulness, i feared many users will find it difficult to use the generator because we have add layer one by one per each frame and it's gonna cost a lot of time to stack the them all. So, which one you would like to choose, Variability or easiness ?

The Poll will be closed on 28 February, So please, vote for which template we should use. Here's the WiP of each template.

BS Template by Bestone:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii89 ... shield.png[/img] http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii89 ... mplate.png[/img]

White Ties Template by GanonFrog:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii89 ... ldkrdk.png[/img]

Summon Night Battlers:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii89 ... Nights.jpg[/img]

    For those who voting, thank you very much! We're really appreciate your help!

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Kaoii
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:03 pm
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Very cool. Good luck with your project.


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Valcrist
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:16 pm
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Thanks, man. Can you give your vote on the link i've put in Closure part? Thanks for your support, man!!

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Dalton
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:16 pm
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I vote for Summon Night Battlers. I think they are quite cool.

I wonder what your sideview generator will be like. It has been often discussed and many people didn't like the idea.

Personally I hope you can pull it off. Good luck!


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Valcrist
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:21 pm
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Okay, Thanks for your vote, Dalton! You can see my Sideview Battler Generator on upper part of my first post! C&C, please....

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Skie Fortress
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:38 pm
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I would just go with Bestone's style. It looks original. White Ties is getting a bit overdone, but that's a good choice as well. Summon Night may be a bit too hard to handle. Considering that Summon Night sprites consist of several smaller sprites broken into pieces and then brought together with code in-game.

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iceplosion
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:20 pm
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Bestones style is original, but we need to have a large set of resources that look good together, I vote for White Ties since there is a lot of great stuff for it we need a large set of uniform resources for them to actually be useful.

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Dalton
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:56 pm
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One vote for each then, huh?  :wink:

White ties could be cool, too.

Hard to decide...


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mawk
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:28 pm
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I'm gonna break the stalemate here with a vote for White Ties. The majority of people looking for sideview battlers nowadays request White Ties style, and I can hardly blame them; they're very versatile, and look quite good if put to use properly. However, that template might need a bit of work (running and knockout poses seem to be missing, for instance.)

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Gat_Man
  Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:31 pm
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BS Template. Hands down. It kicks ass^^


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sixtyandaquarter
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:54 am
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Two things.
What's the difference between this thread and the other one?
Your other one covers this pretty much.  Same pics same little asking for vote.

Secondly why not include an actual poll if your going to post asking for votes?

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CrymsenTears
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:53 am
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bs definately. awesome temp.

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Valcrist
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:12 am
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@sixtyandaquarter:
1. Many people ignored the first topic i make, probably because my crappy writing in there. (I catch a bad migrain right now and can't think normally for now)

2. Can't see the poll button in here....

@All: Thanks for your vote! But could you choose: should we separate the arm or not? Pretty concerned about this one....

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sixtyandaquarter
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:32 am
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Well, we shouldn't make duplicate topics because they are ignored.  Especially when it was posted only yesterday.
If these are the same thread for the most part, please report one to be closed, you can chose which one you'd rather have around.
Simply because if they are the same they really don't need to both be active.

See where the "New Topic" button is?  Next to it is "Options".  Click on that and you'll see a drop down menu that includes "Post New Poll", should be the first option.
I know the polls can be hard to see, I only a few days ago figured out how to post one myself :lol:

Oh and since I'm here, my vote is for this one:
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii89 ... mplate.png[/img]
I like that one the best, and yeah I'd say include arms as separate if at all possible.

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  Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:13 am
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White Ties, please!

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  Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:13 am
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I think the arms should be separate. That way, you can add different weapons easier, for example, two handed staff or a one handed dagger. I hope this makes sense... :S


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  Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:19 am
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BS FTW!

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lorddonk
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:29 am
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I'd vote for White Ties definitely.

I love the summon night ones, but I don't think that that style would match everyone's games. I think the white ties is the most universal.

I could see Summon Night ones in a cutesy anime type game, and the first one in a game with a serious story like Kingdom Hearts, but the White Ties one I think would fit in virtually any type of game, plus there's already a few of those resources available meaning maybe less work for whomsoever is actually making this.

And about the arms, I don't see how its actually going to work so I wouldn't know for sure but I think the arms and legs being movable would be needed for different poses, like punching and spell casting, etc...

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Valcrist
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:41 am
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@lorddonk: Read my first post. The reason why we want to separate the arms is for the variance of the battler position. But, I'm also concerned if you guys found it hard to navigate the generator, 'cause you have to stack one frame by one frame.

@All: Okay! gonna write your vote. Thanks, guys!

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  Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:26 am
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What one I think looks best: Bestone.
Why: Mainly because it has a more original feel to it, unlike white ties which I find to be more popular. Although you don't just add an original template to try and make your game original, you add it because it suits the game. Same goes with features for a game, I'm getting off-topic so I should stop.
I hope you find the template your looking for.
Good luck with your game.


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adelaidechoc
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:01 am
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Whew, That's a great idea of making a side-view battlers!
Wish U luck  :thumb:

Btw, why don't you make another poll in this forum rather than in other's? I don't have any account there yet :(

Oh well, I've registered and voted for you.  :wink:

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Valcrist
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:35 am
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Hehe... Thanks, Adel! I just don't know how to insert a poll in here... :P

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Final Griever
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:03 pm
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White Fies, definitely!;)
And i really love the idea to make an battlechar-generator...:)


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Finlander
  Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:26 pm
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White ties seems better.
Not only is it easier to get Resources for, it's got the best pose... The template you're using for the BS sets is not really usable to everything.


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Bestone
  Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:35 am
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As the maker of the bs template, I'd like to adress some issues with my template, the main of which seems to be the pose, i was going for a very dynamic pose, and tried it with a plethora of different weapons, and it looked half decent, i can post some pictures for you. I have no qualms about changing the pose, but i think you'll notice that when the arms are removed, and then selected to suit the weapon, it becomes extremely versatile.

Aswell the lack of resources for a new template: yes its true, my template has no resources, but for my own game i have more than 20 different sets of equipment i could easilly apply to this template. And with a host of other very skilled artists eager to work on this project, the resources would quickly come.

Now im not trying to sway you to my template! I would be just as happy just drawing resources for the white ties, im just offering something original and hand designed.

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Bestone
  Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:57 am
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ok i made a quick little modification to show you a POSSIBLE different stance, i made this in about 5mins, you'll notice the time difference between my last post and this, thats the time it took to whip this up, anyways this one looks like crap and is in no way near finished, i didnt finish it because, of course, i dont know if we are to use it

again, we can go with whatever pose the majority of people would want

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/ ... girld2.png[/img]  <-- this pose is set up for shield in the left hand and sword in the right, works well with dual wielding too

Edit: and again, one more REALLY CRAP example of a different pose, showing a crap shield and a crap sword
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v176/ ... girld3.jpg[/img]

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Finlander
  Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:56 pm
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Hmm...
That actually looks quite good.
If you can somehow use both poses, then sure, go for the BS Templates.


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Merged your two topics since they were pretty much the same thing. All the old topic info is there for you. Edit as you like.

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harbino
  Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:35 pm
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When will this be downloadable?


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nazra7
  Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:19 pm
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I have a full template for side view animated battlers:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n250 ... eadult.png[/img]


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